There is certainly a lot of ideas being shared here! Sorry for not responding immediately, I've been busy with a lot of other projects. College is over but I'm still pretty busy! There is always something to do it seems.
Anyway, I do not wish to derail the thread. I'll try to address everyone's ideas at once but I might miss a few details.
Kolchak you have a lot of good points. The main thing I want to address is the thing with animals adopting other animals of different species. One might be able to argue that humans themselves practice this with many different species of animals. We rescue kittens and puppies all the time along with numerous other animals. I know you're a Police Officer so I am wondering if you've ever been called to rescue an animal? Although that might be more something the local Fire Department does. Even so, plenty of civilians do this as well. The benefit we get out of this is the love and companionship of the animal that's rescued, but it's hardly out of survival for my own species, but for the species that has been rescued. I find there is something very noble about an animal taking up the life of another. Yet there are some species who take advantage of this since a species of bird will often lay it's eggs in another bird specie's nest, forcing the host species to raise it's young and it does none of the work. As a result, the host species own offspring often die. This isn't morality in my opinion. It's morality when an animal voluntarily takes up the life of an offspring of another species. And if it's not morality, at the very least I'd call it kindness and love. Animals are capable of this to at least some degree, and this is why I think animals have a soul; at least this is particularly true of mammals and birds. To call it simply survival makes no sense to me. It's just like when people say that morality comes about as a survival mechanism when the very act of morality often contradicts survival. Sometimes it involves self sacrifice which in turn is a huge principle of Christianity. I suppose one might say that when a mother gives up her life for her child it's ensuring the survival of the next generation; but if she dies she cannot have any more children. If the mother dies alone without someone else to raise the child, the child will die as well. Granted, I'm opting out of having children. I feel that my knowledge is far more important to pass on than my genes and I regard our cats as our kids.
I definitely agree with you on the aliens part. They could be smart. They could be moral or amoral. But we simply don't know because we haven't encountered any. It might be that aliens on planet A might be moral, while the aliens on planet B might be amoral. Yet both are pretty intelligent. Maybe it depends on how they evolved, what their culture might be like. One can only speculate. I am confident that any life out there would have to be somewhat different than Earth's; although convergent Evolution may also apply to other planets. It's hard to say for sure. We won't know until we discover other life out there. I think it'll be more likely that we discover aliens that are more primitive than us though considering if they were more technologically advanced, they haven't attempted contact with humans. The way I see it; who knows. I don't exactly trust the Government but I don't exactly trust Conspiracy theorists either. Both sides are subject to the burden of proof. But I do think if there was a national or even a Global threat, the Governments of the world, the UN and such would have a responsibility to inform the public so that proper precautions can be taken to ensure our survival. There are good and bad people in every culture, every race, both genders, and regardless of one's economic status and whether or not they participate in Government affairs or are a civilian. The media does exploit mostly the bad however.
Thanks for sharing the poem Murf, it was quite interesting and puts into perspective what it means to be a cat owner. Too many times people regard cats as evil, but if there is a God one has to remember God made cats too!
Murf what you say makes sense. There are some who think either there aren't any aliens out there, or that salvation wouldn't apply to them and they'd have no souls. I think this is hog wash of course because I believe the energy that encompasses the soul is in all living things, and that the soul is in all living things, at least ones that have a brain and spinal cord anyway as I believe the brain and spinal cord serve as a sort of computer that uploads the soul like a biological interface, I'm not sure about plants. Maybe they do; I'm not sure. If there is a God then who are we to say that his creativity is limited to our own planet? So I agree with you there, at least assuming there is a God anyway. Plus scientific research has pinpointed where specific "habitable" zones are in a star. One day our own Earth will no longer be in the habitable zone and the Earth will be burned up from our star's expansion. Humans will probably have died off before that even happens though, but if they haven't then hopefully space age technology will save us. But if there is a God; most Christians believe God will bring Jesus back before then and all the faithful Christians will be placed in a New Heaven and a New Earth. I agree, I think there has to be life out there regardless if God exists or not. Life itself is a miracle that should be cherished. But I would be afraid if that life is out to destroy us. I think the likelihood however is that we'd find life that is either less developed than we are technology wise, or if they are more developed then hopefully they have overcome many of the hurdles of civilization and have become more tolerant as they have become more intelligent. Most movies like portraying aliens as destructive and wanting nothing more than to destroy humans, but I think it's more likely they either don't know about us, or think we're too primitive to deal with. Then there's people who believe we were visited by aliens already considering the advancements of civilizations like the mayans, or the "computer" found in an Ancient greek civilization that shouldn't even belong there in that time period. This leads us to either believe we were visited by aliens at one time, or maybe humans were more advanced back then than we like to give our ancestors credit for. You can find it here:
http://nypost.com/2014/11/29/antikyther ... you-think/
To be fair Murf, we do our own discrimination of other religions in our own country, despite the fact that our country is supposed to support freedom of religion. Plus our country isn't even close to being the best place to be if one is female. Gender discrimination and Racism still go on today and I find that pretty sad. I do not believe one should discrimination based on race, gender or religion as long as that religion isn't harming anyone. People can argue that say, Islam is a violent religion but I think that depends on what religious sect one practices. It's not different than Christianity as the Quran can be taken out of context just as much as the Bible or even the Torah.
In the end; it may not matter what one believes. Someone is going to be discriminated against somewhere regardless of the belief.
Now getting back to the topic of life after death; I did find some interesting theories on the subject. I'm more inclined to believe one than the other; but perhaps under different circumstances.
The one I might be inclined to agree with is the one where we're reborn in another reality. We're still the same person, still born in the same time period, but we make slightly different decisions in life that affect our overall lifestyle. Now what they try to say is that the soul simply migrates to another reality upon death, and you're left off at the same point where you died in one reality without knowing that you actually died. So if I were to die right now, I'd wake up in another reality the same age as if nothing happened, except maybe feeling some pain as an after effect. The problem with this theory is that everyone always grows old and time continues to move forward. So how can one be transferred indefinitely? So I think what happens is that we simply start over at the point of birth. Or perhaps we'd enter a new reincarnated state in this reality. We'd go through all the possible incarnations of this reality, then we start at point 0 in a new reality and so on. I'm not entirely sure if this is what I believe; but I think that's what makes the most sense instead of just restarting where you left off. Instead, I do think when people experience severe pain for no reason, or maybe have an NDE, they may have experienced the death of an alternate reality counterpart since I think we are connected with these alternate selves.
I am still inclined to think that we are reincarnated in order to better ourselves before we're supposed to ascend to a higher plane of existence though. But at the same time, I do think there is such a thing as alternate realities. Every decision made creates a ripple in the water that branches out. I think the universe is like that. Therefore the number of realities out there is infinite. Remember our discussion about what would have happened if the South won the Civil War? That very well could have happened in an alternate universe. But even something as simple as deciding to stop at Mcdonalds or Burger King can affect a shift in reality. Does the cat decide to chase the mouse today or not? Another decision. So I don't think it's just us humans that affect it either. Maybe a meteor crashed in one reality or maybe it didn't in another. Maybe in one reality Hurricane Katrina didn't happen. Maybe 9/11 never happened. Maybe the Nazis won WWII in one reality and the Russians won the Cold War in another. There's so many possibilities, and even among those possibilities there are many more branched out of those.
Then there's one theory that I think is almost as scary as ceasing to exist. It's called the "Natural Afterlife." It's basically going along the lines that when we die we simply enter a dreamlike state; except we are in that dream forever since time has literally stopped for us at that point. But for some people they might become trapped in a nightmare and that's what they experience as Hell. But at the same time what we experience as Heaven is a dream where we have our own personal interpretation of it. Personally I like the state of being awake; although some dreams I like there are too many that are just way too bizarre for me to want to be trapped in one forever after death. Although this may make some sense since the Bible says we're "sleeping" when we die. But I'm not real crazy about this idea, or the waking up at the same age idea. I think I'd be OK with the idea of waking up at the time of birth though and starting over, but not entirely living the same life. Our past lives could influence the decisions we make in our own reality that we're in right now; so it's with hope that we don't make the same mistakes. It's another chance.